martes, 11 de diciembre de 2012


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GEQ Shootout

solarized graphic EQ
On December 17, 2003, I put together a GEQ Shootout with the intention of finding the best 1/3rd-octave equalizer for use with monitor wedges. The Noe Valley Music Series performance space was available for the day so we met there at the Noe Valley Ministry in San Francisco. A couple of local audio guys that I knew and some that I hadn't yet met from www.live-audio.com came with EQs to test. Mike Allen ran a set of precision bench test equipment and I ran a SmaartLive station. There was a monitor wedge setup that several guys used to compare real world use. All in all there were 32 EQ models that got tested in some fashion. Because of time constraints, not every EQ was given the full treatment.
I announced the event on LAB and there was some interesting discussion online.
Here's the original announcement and people's comments.
Here we have further suggestions regarding graphic equalizer models that would be interesting to test.
'Mike Allen at the bench' Photo by Carl Liss.
Precision Bench
Michael Allen came up with a series of exacting precision tests using his HP signal generator and balanced input oscilloscope. He had time only to test eight of the 32 1/3-octave EQs plus a vintage biamp EQ210 stereo 10-band he brought as a personal reference. A stowaway! He examined noise on the outputs both loaded and unloaded, line driving abilities, CMRR properties and silk-screening accuracy. Mike's data will be available shortly.
'solarized earplugs'
Acoustic Feedback
Allen Craft, Gabe Nahshon and Luke Sheridan assembled a vocal mic and wedge system on the carpeted stage for testing acoustic feedback reduction properties of EQs. They used a pair of Tim O'Connor and Allen Craft's Harbingers and also a pair of Luke's Nexo wedges all sourced with a Shure Beta58 vocal mic split to several faders of an A&H GL-1. One fader would bring up one EQ. The mixer fed a Crown MA1200 bridged. Both wedges of a pair were tried and then just one. Radley's Crown CM-310A differoid vocal mic was auditioned as well. Each EQ was tweaked for maximum GBF then compared with the previous ones. Our brave crew tested seven of the 32 EQs, achieving the greatest gain with the Audient ASP231 and Rane DEQ 60L models. Every one of those seven sounded smooth except for the Behringer GEQ 3102 which Luke thought was 'choppy' and Allen reported as 'dark and small.' For some reason, the XTA required 8dB of makeup gain to get the Nexos going.
'Smaart DUT setup'
SmaartLive tests I put together for this event:
Unless included as part of the test, EQ processing options such as HPF, limiting and notch filters are bypassed or dialed out as much as possible. Pink noise at 0.7vrms from a balanced CD player was the default source signal.
'Flat Pink' on KT DN360
Flat Pink
First thing we looked at in SmaartLive is frequency and phase response with all faders at zero. If an EQ doesn't do well at this stage you've got bad news! One of the vintage UREI 527-A units pulled from storage and the new Presonus DEQ624 displayed problems during Flat Pink. We're talking about full frequency problems for UREI #518 and two minor 1kHz and 5kHz dips on channel A of the new Presonus. A much better result is shown above: the KT DN360's freq line is nearly flat and the top phase line curves gently down in the HF region.
'Death to 100' on Rane DEQ 60L
Death To 100
In this test we bottomed out the 100Hz fader and every other fader lower than it. I don't recommend this as a method for controlling lows -- I've always been told that it messes up the phase response, has weird frequency issues and often isn't necessary since so many EQs come with variable HPF. But, MAN, there's someone doing this at nearly every show I go to. What's up with that? Here we see the Rane DEQ 60L demonstrating 'Death To 100' although this model is perfectly capable of cutting lows by using the variable high-pass filter labeled 'Low Cut.'
'Frown' on UREI 527-A
Frown
Next we returned the faders to zero and proceeded to carve a small frown going from 250 to 500Hz. Our accuracy in positioning faders depended in no small part on front face silk screening clarity. Specified settings are 250Hz down 10dB, 315Hz down 5dB, 400Hz down 5dB and 500H down 10dB. Here we see the 'Frown' demoed on one of the vintage UREI 527-A EQs.
'Capital V' on Audient ASP231
Capital V
This procedure moves three sliders to examine filter interplay. 315Hz goes up to +10dB, 500Hz stays down at -10dB from the last test and 800Hz is moved up to +10dB. It's plain as day if you look at the Audient ASP231 pictured here. The boosting you see is quite a bit more than one would typically use on monitor wedges but I figured that by examining the responses I would be able to separate unfamiliar GEQs into one of several filter classes. One thing to look for is to note the level of 500Hz on the computer screenshot. Is it higher than -10dB? Are the 315 and 800 filters pulling it upward?
'Wavy' on ART HQ-31
Wavy
Now we get a combination of boosts, cuts and a low cut filter placed at 200Hz, if possible. Some EQs had no HPF and some had a fixed setting but on any of the ones with variable low cut I began by flattening out the faders, noting the dB level at 200Hz and then increasing the frequency of low cut until 200Hz showed a reduction of -3dB. Fader settings for this test were 400Hz -3dB, 500 -6, 630 -6, 800 -3, 1.25k +3, 1.6k +6, 2k +6 and 2.5kHz +3dB. In the photo you can see the ART HQ-31 set for the wavy test; its High Pass filter knob is shown in the inset.
'Dude Is Deaf' on Nady GEQ-231
Dude Is Deaf
Silly? Yes, this test might be called that. We've pumped the high frequencies by a huge amount to see if phase and frequency stay smooth. Monitors might need a little of this for an aging rock'n'roller who came up the hard way. Hopefully, none of you will ever get this particular guy in your club! With the Nady GEQ-231 early blackface version serving as the model you can see these fader settings: 2.5kHz +3dB, 3.15 +6, 4k +9, 5k +9, 6.3k +6 and 8kHz +3dB. Ouch! Where're my earplugs!
'915Hz Sine'
915Hz Cut
In this procedure we fed a hot 915Hz sine tone (measuring 3.36v on my tiny Rat Shack auto-ranging digital voltmeter) from the CD player into the Device Under Test (DUT), noted the SPL of 915Hz showing on screen with faders flat then cut as much 915Hz as possible and jotted down the difference. The idea was that we would see how well an EQ performed on difficult feedback tones that fall between ISO centers. I picked 915Hz because it is pretty darn close to halfway between the 800 slider and the 1000 slider, making it tough to control. After applying this test two or three times it dawned on me that it didn't really tell us much about real world usage and that there were too many variables at play such as 1/3-octave filter depths being 10, 12, 15 or even 24dB down and whether or not there were notch filters included in the DUT. Still, we went ahead and kept this procedure in the sequence.
'915Hz Down 6dB'
915Hz Down 6dB
After doing some thinking about how to have the 915Hz test relate to the real world I came up with a better idea and applied it to as many EQs as I had time for. In this vastly improved version I fed some bandpassed pink noise into the DUT to get an overall SPL reading. To obtain bandpassed pink the original pink noise WAV file was high-passed at 200Hz and low-passed at 4kHz using 24dB/octave filters applied in the audio editing program and burned to CD. This allowed me to level the playing field somewhat by excluding extreme LF and HF responses and paying closer attention to the mid-freq power bandwidth. After noting the SPL, I stopped the bandpassed pink and started the 915Hz sine tone. The level at 915Hz is noted, then steps are taken to reduce it by 6dB. Most EQs got to this point using equal amounts of 800Hz and 1000Hz slider cuts but a few included assignable notch filters or anti-feedback circuitry. Finally, I stopped the sine tone and restarted the bandpassed pink noise, retaining the altered EQ settings. I noted the change in overall SPL. Each EQ was examined using as many methods of cutting 915Hz as seemed appropriate; parametric or semi-parametric notches, anti-feedback filters and plain ol' regular sliders.
This test should be able to predict how much power and fullness are retained by the EQ when you have to cut a feedback mode that falls between sliders. Your musician clients will appreciate your ability to keep levels up and musicality high even if you have to chop a few room modes and feedback tones. A small change in overall SPL is better than a big drop. Extreme phase changes need to be assessed as well. A sharp filter that throws a phasey curve at your signal might be detrimental to the musicality. In terms of frequency alone, most EQs fell in the window of 1.0 to 2.0dB reduction in overall SPL after cutting 6dB of 915Hz. A few were better and any with extra-wide filters were worse. In the screenshot you can see the Audio Logic SC31 (out of production) demonstrating typical performance of a mid-pack front-runner -- only 1.1dB of overall SPL drop.
Multiple Cuts
Multiple Cuts
The concept of how to test for the ability of a GEQ to do well at monitor wedge duties kept evolving with each new round of information returning from the previous trial. In this late-stage procedure, I made a four-tone chord out of pure sine waves and sent this to the device under test. The EQ being tested was to attenuate a specified amount each of the four frequencies and the resulting overall loss in SPL was to be quantified. The idea was that EQs which had adjacent filters summing to the center might not be as good at cutting a grouping of several frequencies as they are at cutting one alone and that engaging a few filters in a row might result in unavoidable compromises in terms of retaining SPL. Monitor wedge feedback is usually such that there is usually more than one feedback frequency and yet wholesale cutting of modes makes for a weak, tinny or distant wedge mix. I also was curious about how the new various filter topologies compared to one another. Perfect Q, Proportional Q and Constant Q were among the contenders as well as Assymetric Q and parametric filtering. The KT DN9340's the one with parametric filters so naturally, it performed the best. But I also ran into intermodulation distortion (IMD) artifacts during this test. What a surprise!
'Torture Pulse EQ Settings'
Torture Pulse
For this test we changed over from SmaartLive mode to recording mode. A series of non-frequency-specific square pulses were fed to the DUT and recorded onto my IBM ThinkPad T30's line level minijack inputs. A few cuts were introduced into the DUT in order to ensure that our EQ was doing some work and not idling with filters disabled at their detent positions. In the photo you can see the NEI 2711 (out of production) displaying the specified EQ settings of 315Hz -3dB, 400 -6, 500 -6 and 630Hz -3dB. One channel of the ThinkPad was fed EQ'ed pulses and the other was fed straight pulses. This allows for the subtraction of the ThinkPad's response from the EQ'ed DUT response, though some argument can be made that the EQ'ed signal will hit the ThinkPad a little differently making it respond in a non-linear fashion between its Left and Right channels. At least all DUTs were treated the exact same way, so intelligent comparisons are still possible.
'Torture Pulse Original and EQ'ed'
At the top of this graph you can see the original pulses taken from the first of two groupings. They are perfectly square with every non-zero sample at the same value -- about 70% of maximum level. This what they looked like coming in to the EQ getting tested. Next level down shows what the computer thinks of as an ideal response given the EQ settings specified. At the bottom you can see the so-called ideal response subtracted from the original pulses.
Analyzing the resulting recordings allows us to look at several things. We can check to see if any device takes too much time to ramp up to full level after a period of silence, we can compare ski-jump tops of EQ'ed pulses and we can see how a device responds to a sudden absence of signal. A further inspection of these audio files might yield additional information.
Odds & EndsWe set up a pair of quiet listening stations where EQs were fed by CD players. A mixer took the EQ outputs and headphones were used to A/B the two. A couple of the guys used these to compare EQs and to try out unfamiliar interfaces but listening to EQs through headphones proved unpopular.
I didn't get to test IMD distortion until two weeks later when the number of participating EQs was down to three. Too bad! John Roberts and I had discussed on LAB how this test might quickly determine problems in sloppy circuit design so I had a 19kHz plus 20kHz dual sine tone WAV file ready to go. Unfortunately, I was worried about my laptop or a CD player only doing 16 bits at 44.1kHz sample rate (standard CD quality) so I felt sure that the sources available didn't have enough resolution to make this test meaningful. I was hoping that a participant would arrive with a laptop-controlled USB device capable of putting out a stream of +4 line level audio made up of 20 or 24 bits at 96kHz. Better than that would have been two lab-quality analog signal generators buffered into one balanced output. It might have been Don Boomer or T.Alan Kraus who suggested an alternative of using two lower HF tones such as 15kHz and 16kHz -- I almost took them up on that. Time constraints kept this test out of the picture on Shootout day. It was only until later in Multiple Cuts that I ran across IMD artifacts, showing me just how easy they are to test for.
I also didn't get to test how well each EQ was able to withstand the RFI generated by a cell phone call. Steve Snyder and I both had Nextel phones in our possession at the venue -- we are all too aware of how much the Nextel ring sequence interferes with audio gear. The problem I had on Shootout day was that we needed to record the output of the DUT for subsequent analysis. My ThinkPad could have done the recordings but it was too busy with other tests -- we didn't pull aside another test device. Also, Mike Allen's bench test procedure measuring CMRR promised to predict which EQs were going to fail the Nextel phone test so it seemed redundant at the time. In the event, Mike's careful and exacting procedure proved time-consuming enough that only a quarter of the EQs were tested for CMRR.
It would have been interesting to see whether a tiny latency delay could have improved any of the analog EQs in terms of GBF during stage monitor duties. Don Boomer was wondering if the digital EQs all benefit from their inherent delay. Quite likely... In the end, we didn't go to the extra trouble of comparing an analog EQ at time zero with a slightly delayed version of itself. Doing so would have taken more time and would have introduced all the quirks and characteristics of the digital device assigned to delay duties. A complicated test, to be sure.
Another test I was asked to perform was to check on headroom differences between an EQ's �dB mode and its �B mode. Lew Veldas on LAB mentioned that one of the Yamaha EQs he's seen seems to clip sooner when in �B mode. I was intending to check this on every EQ but in the event I felt that it was more important to capture all the SmaartLive traces that I could. The single EQ model I chose to investigate this possibility was the one Yamaha Q2031B taking part in the Shootout; a piece of gear which defined the lower limits of anti-feedback performance due to its wide filters. I found that the clip light didn't really indicate actual clipping at �B but it came on nonetheless when the signal was approaching maximum. This is typical -- many EQs have a clip light that begins to shine when you are within 3dB or so of clipping. But in �B mode the Yamaha's clip light would come on 6dB in advance of clipping. The really odd thing was that in �dB mode the clip light would come on several dB AFTER the onset of clipping. Not a very good indication for the user! Perhaps the unit I was testing was faulty but both channels tested the same.
Finally, I would have LOVED to get hard numbers in the live acoustic testing part of the Shootout. My intent was to have a SmaartLive testing station with a measurement mic at musician ear height and to have a series of expert sound folks tweak a set of EQs for maximum gain-before-feedback. Then pink noise (or some appropriate version of bandpassed pink) would be fed to the monitor wedges through the DUT and our SmaartLive mic would tell us the overall SPL reading. Higher SPL would indicate that the EQ allowed more GBF and/or that the person doing the EQ tweaking was better able to complete the task when using that device. Shifting EQ tweak duties around to various participants would have helped drop the human out of the equation, letting all the best EQs shine through. Having two separate live acoustic setups would have been even better. At the Shootout, there were too few SmaartLive stations and too little time allowed for high-SPL tests on stage for us to arrive at numbers like this. If I had been able to set up a couple of testing areas a day in advance along with laying out a hard-and-fast testing regimen and if I had been able to rope in a willing Smaartie or two who could wrangle attendees and EQs for tweaking then such a real-world measurement would have taken on a much greater significance. As it turned out, the best we could do with the time we had was to jot down some subjective findings on the order of Sucks/Doesn't Suck!
EQs that got tested in some manner:
AB Intl 231 (donated [!] by Paul Bell [NOW what am I going to do with this thing!])
ART HQ-31 (courtesy of Dave Lowum of Tantra Tour Sound)
Ashly GQX 3102 (courtesy of Rod Thompson of Suntrack Sound via Luke Sheridan)
Ashly Protea 4.24G (courtesy of Rod Thompson of Suntrack Sound via Luke Sheridan)
Audient ASP231 (thanks to Jeff Harmon at Audient USA for the demo)
Audio Logic SC31 (courtesy of Michael Beyl of Swanson Sound)
Behringer DSP8024 (courtesy of Allen Craft) [WHAT? This thing has no sliders! Get it outta here...]
Behringer GEQ3102 (one from Bananas At Large and one from NY courtesy of Paul Bell
BSS FCS-960 (courtesy of Don Lind of Golden Gate Sound)
dbx 3231L (courtesy of Sarah Roos of BBI)
dbx 480 (courtesy of Luke Sheridan)
dbx iEQ31 (courtesy of Lee Jacobson)
KT DN27 (courtesy of Jeff Cleland at Hyde Street Studios)
KT DN360 (courtesy of Sam Lunetta of EventCom at the San Francisco Marriott)
KT DN9340 Helix (thanks to Jay Easley of EV/KT/Midas/Telex for the demo)
Lake Contour (courtesy of Miguel Hadelich of Lake)
Nady GEQ-231 [early blackface] (courtesy of Russ Davis)
NEI 2711 (courtesy of Dan Pockrus)
Peavey EQ31FX (courtesy of Bananas At Large via Allen Craft)
Presonus DEQ624 (courtesy of Paul Bell)
Rane DEQ 60L (thanks to Stephen Macatee at Rane for the demo)
Rane GE 27 (courtesy of Sarah Roos of BBI)
Rane GE 30 (courtesy of Sarah Roos of BBI)
Rane ME 30 [older model without XLR] (courtesy of Allen Craft)
Rane ME 60 (courtesy of Rick L'Heureux of AVT)
Rane MQ 302S 'Mojo' (courtesy of Rick L'Heureux of AVT)
Sabine GRQ 3101 Graphi-Q (courtesy of Philip Brady)
Sabine GRQ 3102 Graphi-Q (courtesy of Rick L'Heureux of AVT)
TDM 30GE-2 (courtesy of Don Boomer of ICBM Live)
UREI 527-A (a pair of them courtesy of Tom Hall)
XTA GQ600 (courtesy of Greg Knight of Ultramagnetic via Luke Sheridan)
Yamaha Q2031B (courtesy of Brett Bailey of American AV at the Palace Hotel)
Present but not tested:
Altec 1650 [vintage green-face with security cover] (courtesy of Radley Hirsch of San Francisco Audio)
Symetrix 533E (courtesy of Radley Hirsch of San Francisco Audio)
Mentioned in pre-Shootout discussions but didn't show:
Alesis MEQ230
Behringer DEQ 2496
biamp EQ290
dbx 1530
dbx 1231
IRP TEQ DG-4023 transversal, although it was included six weeks later when it did arrive!
White 4400
Mike Allen's stereo 10-band Stowaway:
biamp EQ210
Participants
Michael 'Bink' Knowles
Michael Allen
Steve Snyder
Luke Sheridan -- here's Luke's Take
R. Allen 'Alien' Craft, Jr.
Gabe Nahshon
Don Boomer
Radley Hirsch
Don Lind
T.Alan Kraus
Miguel Hadelich
Ervin Grinberg
Carl Liss
Robert Botsford
Philip Brady
Note: uncredited photos, screenshots and graphic renderings are by Michael 'Bink' Knowles

miércoles, 14 de marzo de 2012

White Beats

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domingo, 22 de agosto de 2010

Maryland subwoofer shootout results! 2

Hey guys!
I've decided to post what my findings were:

Clair ML18: (pair)

I'm on the same boat as the other people in what I found in the Clair and why we took it out of the mix... I just have numbers for this sub:

SQ: 7
Size V. Output: 7
Overall Output: 7.5
Overall Rating: 7

JTR Growler: (review of a pair)

I found these very impressive for their size! They went lower than I expected and did have some good low punch, especially for the rap and dance... I agree that you may have to dial in more kick with some playing around. Very smooth sound which really impressed me and I really liked, since I will take good sound over a couple of db any day! They where fairly efficient with the same power compared to other subs, In all I was impressed what they did for their size!

SQ: 8.5
Size V. Output: 8
Overall Output: 8.5
Overall Rating: 8.5

TH-Mini: (Pair)

First let me say, if you were to do a blind test of these and crank them for someone for a bit, and then take away the curtain, I think that many people would have a hard time believing that, that sound came from these! They are tiny! They can go loud and are fairly smooth sounding. They have a nice midbass but do lack that low punch... of course because of their size! They lacked the punch from a kick a little more than the Growlers did... but they definitely held their own for their size!

SQ: 8
Size V. Output: 9.5
Overall Output: 8
Overall Rating: 8.25

Yorkville USC1: (a pair)

I was more impressed with these than I thought I would be, since I haven't heard tons and tons of praise form people. They do have very nice punch to them when you put some nice kick drum through them. They could get loud and 2 of them did well against 1 LS1208! I thought they put out what they should for their size. But did kinda sound like they would just run out of gas!

SQ: 8
Size V. Output: 6.5
Overall Output: 7.5
Overall Rating: 7.25

TH-115: (single)

I was excited to hear this one... I think it did live up to my expectations... but not $2100 worth! (I agree with Evan on that point!) I would have been nice to hear them as a pair but Ivan said it would just get louder because of the tapped horn. Did have nice smooth punch to it but it almost sounded strained. I don't no if something way slightly off... There was a weird noise from inside that we couldn't figure out where it was coming from... but in all it is a Danley product so it definitely was some presence to it!

SQ: 9
Size V. Output: 7
Overall Output: 8.5
Overall Rating: 8.5

Yorkville LS1208: (single)

This sub definitely made its presence known right when you fired it up! Very efficient when given the same power that the other were getting, for being only 1! It had a lot of punch... but the only thing that annoyed me was the midbassy boomy sound. It was not as punchy as the TH-115 though... it did get low though, it seemed to be in the top 2 of the bunch in regards to how low it got! Big!!

SQ: 7.5
Size V. Output: 6
Overall Output: 9
Overall Rating: 7

Labsub: (pair)
I don't think I have to repeat what has already been said! It is crazy loud as single and just runs away when in a pair! Crazy Efficient and got low! But it is huge, compared to what I could handle! It had lots of impact and the sound quality was good... but not as smooth as the Growlers or 115s which is a bit of a minus for me...

SQ: 8
Size V. Output: 5
Overall Output: 9.5
Overall Rating: 8

Peavey QW218: (Pair)

Definitely got low... and did have a good amount of impact... not as smooth sounding as the Growlers... 1 QW218 seemed to have just about the same amount of impact as 2 Growlers.

SQ: 8.5
Size V. Output: 7
Overall Output: 8.5
Overall Rating: 8

Turbo21: (Pair)

These didn't really suit me to much... it had a slight bit of a boomy sound... although not as much as the 1208. It got low but lacked that punch that I like! They are comparable to 2 QW218s

SQ: 7
Size V. Output: 7
Overall Output: 7
Overall Rating: 7

In all this was a great experience! Thanks Evan and Jim for setting this up! It was great meeting everyone and I would love to meet up again! I learned a lot!

And as I heard a couple people say..."You wouldn't be disappointed taking any of the subs home that we showcased today!"

Take Care and Thanks!
Phil Lewandowski!

Maryland subwoofer shootout results

Well, after a day of fun, the results are in!

Since the other thread was getting a bit long, I figured I would start a new one here.

First off, I'd like to thank everyone who came out to hear the subs, brought subs and Jim for letting us play in his shop all day. Subwise, nothing blew up and everything went fairly smooth. Though, in true LAB spirit, something did blow up. The PL9.0 went up idling before the beginning. Luckily Jim had a spare, so the day could go on.

We started the day off by just lining all the subs up and making noise. We ran them in pairs and in singles. We also later on in the day separated them into 2 groups big(LAB12, TFL21, TH115, LS1208, QW218) and small(mini, Growler, UCS1). Though some of the small guys were quite impressive.



It was interesting hearing them all side by side. Each sub had their own certain characteristics that made them stand out.

We also took time in the beginning to measure them all. Each sub was measured in singles and then as a pair. Jeff Knorr has all the SMAART data, and hopefully he will be posting it soon. 

Anyway, onto my reviews of them:

Lets remind you guys of what we judged them on:
-Sound Quality
-Size vs. output
-Overall output
-Overall Rating


First up, is the Growler:
I gave it 8's all around. One thing I noticed is that they have a lot of ass for their size, but not a lot of impact. They did well with dance music and sounded very "musical," but lacked impact from the kick hits. However, they do pack a good amount of output for their size. When I had the dB meter out, they were doing ~118dB cont. with the PL9.0 blinking -10 every so often. We had to put a Yorkville TX4 on top of them to keep them from moving around too much. Everyone agrees that the plastic corners suck, and they can go without them. Out of the UCS1 and TH mini, they had the most "ass" to them. However, in singles, the output just disappears. I would NOT recommend running them 1 per side. They just lose a lot of the get up and go. 

So, the Growlers get an "8" overall. I'd say they are pretty decent boxes for their size and cost.

Next up is the TH mini:
These guys were quite impressive! They are the size of a small trash can, but can keep up with the turbosound 21's! They had a VERY smooth sound, and put out a ton of sound for their size. They had a noticeable drop in the low reign, but it should be expected for their size. They kept right up with the Growlers in terms of output, but the growlers had a little more bottom end to them. I gave them a solid 10 on size to output ratio, as it was very impressive. They got a "7" overall, and would be great for band PA systems. I didnt get a chance to meter them with the dB meter, but I was pretty impressed over all.

Next up was the UCS1:
These guys are pretty solid subs. They are a little bigger then a Growler, and with that, they pack more punch. The Yorkville's had more in the 70-90hz range and I liked their sound. They didnt quite have the low low end that the Growlers did, but they were no slackers. They just hit harder. They were also able to do around 118dB cont, with the PL9.0 flicking -10. They are very good sounding subs, and I gave them an 8 on sound. But, only a 6 on size to output, as they still lack the overall get up and go. Overall I gave them a 6.5, as they are solid subs, but just lack in a few areas.

TH115:
You know, I was pretty disappointed with this one. For $2100, I was expecting more. Of course, there was only 1 there and it would have been nice to have a second... But for just one, I wasnt feeling it. But, with that said, they sound great. They went the lowest out of any single sub, and sounded the best by far. They have a very smooth sound, but lack in the midbass. DJ's would not like them. They got a 10 on Sound Quality, but I only gave them a 6 on output. When I measured the single sub, it was doing 112dB cont, with the PL9.0 flickering -10. Personally, I do not think they are worth the money. If you are looking for a very "musical" sounding sub that goes low, then it might be your ticket. But, one just wasnt as impressive as I thought it would be. I gave them a 7 overall.

Next up, The LS1208:
Yorkville screwed us over and only sent one, so we had to make due. But with that said, this was one of the more impressive subs of the bunch. For just a single unit, it packed a lot of punch and carried a lot of ass too. It had a little bit of a "woofy" sound to it, but I think with some EQ, that can be fixed. It had the most midbass out of any of the horn loaded subs. But, it completely blew me away. This is what I would consider the best bang for the buck sub of the bunch. I gave it a 7 on SQ, 8 on overall output and an 8 overall. For only $800, this was a very impressive sub. 2 UCS1's couldnt keep pace with it. I was getting ~120dB cont from just a single unit, with the PL9.0 flickering -10.

Next up, the QW218:
These guys did a pretty good job. They ran with the big boys pretty well, and had a surprising amount of get up and go. They blew the smaller subs away, but lost one on one with the larger subs. I was getting around 124dB cont. from the pair. I was pretty pleased with them, and for being a double 18, it was pretty cool. I gave them an 8 on Sound quality, 7 on output and an 8 overall. 

Next up, The LAB12:
Hands down, the winner. Nothing could keep pace with them. They were topping out my dB meter(126dB) and making the room quake. They hit hard, go low and rattle your insides. They got a 9 on sound quality, 10 on output and 9 overall. If only they werent so friggen huge! These guys stole the show, as expected. If you go this route, make sure you have a big truck and lots of help moving them, as they are not small!

Finally, the Turbo 21:
Another sub that didnt impress me too much. Ive heard them before and think they do much better when you get about 6 or 8 of them. But a pair, well, it just wasnt anything to brag about. They sound good and have a smooth sound, but the TH mini's were able to get within a few dB of their performance. The 21's seemed to knock out the lower notes a little better, but in the 60hz+ range, it was a crapshoot. They got a 7 on SQ, 5 on output and 6.5 overall. 

And that about sums it up! It was a fun day with lots of interesting results. I'll be posting pics soon, and I hope that as everyone gets home, they will be posting replies!




Evan

Maryland Subwoofer Listening Session

Maryland Subwoofer Listening Session

The Subwoofer line-up: Turbosound TSW-718, LAB12, Turbosound 21", Clair ML18, Peavey QW218, Danley TH-115, Danley TH-mini, JTR Speakers Growler, Yorkville UCS1, Yorkville LS-1208.
I like to thank Jim Bowersox for hosting the event and everyone that brought in or provided subwoofers for the event.  I would also like to publicly thank Yorkville for sending out an LS-1208, and Danley Sound Labs for sending out the TH-minis and new Danley Floor Wedge.
The frequency response tests of each subwoofer (and pairs of subs if we had them available) were measured using SMAART6 with an Earthworks measurement microphone connected through a USBpre interface.  The .zip archive of the tests is attached to this page at the link below.  Feel free to download them.  I will be posting the graphs here after I sort out some SMAART issues.
Other than the frequency measurements taken, the vast majority of the listening session was very unscientific.  We did not try to compensate for impedance or frequency response issues.  We also did not match SPL between the cabinets during the listening tests.  Most of the comparisons were made by quickly switching between up to four sets of cabinets at a time (only changing which cabinet(s) was connected to the amplifier). 
I was one of the attendees that mentioned decent performance could be achieved by any of the subs that were in attendance.  These were all quite capable subs and used for their intended purposes shouldn't let anyone down.  Now on to the dirt.  I didn't take detailed notes so I'm only going to comment on the boxes that I paid attention to:
JTR Speakers Growler 2008 - $895
I liked the sound of the Growlers before and think Jeff improved them even more in their latest revision.  They seemed fairly efficient and well balanced.  These are good options where portability and budget are concerned.
Danley Sound Labs TH-mini - List $1295 ($1425 for flyable version)
I was quite impressed with the amount of low-end that came out of these boxes.  They aren't much bigger than most computer towers and yet they would fill the room with a nice pleasing low-end.  Their response does drop off down really low but they should work incredibly well for anyone looking for super compact but great sounding subs.  As Ivan mentioned, these are geared for super portable systems or space constrained installs. 
Yorkville UCS1 - List $899
The UCS1's are not the loudest or deepest subs out there.  But what they do, I think they do pretty well.  I think they fit in very well with the Yorkville Unity line in regards to sound quality and value for the dollar.  Paired with Yorkville U15 top cabinets I think they make a great system.
Yorkville LS-1208 - List $1249
These are perfect for DJ's or bands looking to add a nice round bottom to their rigs on a budget.  I agree that they aren't the tightest subs out there but for a booming kick drum or modern dance music these work incredibly well for the money.  Their downside is of course their size and weight.   They are fairly easy to tilt back and roll though with their built-in wheels and handles.
Danley Sound Labs TH-115 - Pro Net $2255
During the listening sessions I remarked to Ivan that, "Every time I fire up the TH-115's, I'm reminded why I bought them."  To my ears the best sounding subs in attendance were the TH-115's and the LAB Subs.  Both models were designed by Tom Danley.  The TH-115's are tight sounding subs that reach down to the mid-30's without breaking a sweat.  I think they are very well balanced and handle most types of music well.  The TH-115's provide a great value when factoring in their size, efficiency, and scalability.
LAB Sub - Not available commercially - DIY
The LAB Subs are very large and very potent subwoofers.  If you're looking for high SPL bass, have lots of truck space, and aren't affraid to make some saw dust, these are your subs!  The LABs sound very good and effortlessly went down to the mid-30's.  Unfortunately their large size is their curse and makes them impractical for most potential end users. 
 Frequency Response Graphs of SINGLE subs:
Graph of two of each model of subs (when available):

DJ Rig SR

Here is what you need:

DJ mixer - WHATEVER THE MAIN DJ ASKS FOR!

CD decks - as above most likely Pioneer CDJ1000mk3 though 2000s are becoming more common.

Turntables - Technics 1210mk2 or mk5G if you can get them. Make sure that you isolate the turntables from vibrations. Tennis balls and paving slabs work well. Make sure that your styli are fresh and carry spares.

Monitors -
small gigs - Nexo PS15 or equivalent
big gigs - 2 x stacks of Nexo Alpha E (2x B118 1 x EM per stack) or equivalent. Between 5 and 10k is about right as DJ monitors for a big show.

FOH system -Whatever is appropriate for the gig. Go sub heavy!

Control - Use the best sounding live mixer you can find. Midas Venice / Heritage / XL. Place DI boxdes between you and the DJ and use the 20dB pads. Use the pads on your console (or 40dB pads on your DI boxes if you are on a console without pads ala venice) Crank up your channel gains - this goves you room to manouver whan they start ragging the DJ mixer.

DO NOT USE COMPRESSORS OVER THE DJ MIXER! If you need compressors you have not got your gain structure right. The music is already heavily compressed and all you are doing is decreasing sound quality. See the bit about pads above.

Place compressors over the MC and DJ mics set to catch peaks when they scream. Give the DJ a 58 with a switch on it and route it through your mixer.

Tune MC wedges with the mic cupped and stuffed halfway in your mouth. Also point the mic into the wedge from a distance of about a foot and a half. Make sure it doesn't feed back. Make it loud. Now turn it up some more. Now make it so that you don't want to be infront of your own wedge. Still no feedback right? You are getting there.

DJ monitors should be blisteringly loud. add a little extra 2k wide Q and 10k shelving to provide a little artificial sizzle - they won't boost it so much out front then.

Keap it clean, LOUD and clear.

For system protection you have 2 things:
You watching your mixer - you are paying attention right?
The system processor.
You shouldn't need anything else.

Systems I would happily use as a dance rig:

EV X-Array
Nexo Alpha
V-Dosc with sb28s
D&B Q series with plenty of B2s
D&B J series
Noise Control I-Fly

Dubois, PA Speaker Shootout

Dubois, PA Speaker Shootout

Submitted by Jeffrey Knorr on December 18, 2006 - 7:44pm. 
From the beginning...
The original intention of the speaker shootout was to compare and evaluate several of the smaller format self-powered cabinets and systems that are commonly used in Disc Jockey and small FOH applications. I think we successfully accomplished that goal and were also able to fire up some bigger speakers while we were there too. This was not an exhaustive scientifically based shootout. We tried to keep things fair but informal and fun. We were mostly focused on listening rather than testing.
The playback system consisted of a laptop using an external USBpre interface for MP3 and WAV file playback. The USBpre was run into a Mackie 1202 basically used for level control and some very small EQ tweaks later on in the listening sessions. The 1202 fed a pair of Sabine Navigator 3600 DSPs (each DSP was handling the routing for one of the main channels from the 1202). Each output of the DSP was used to feed a different loudspeaker so that we could easily change the active speakers by muting and un-muting the DSP outputs. With the aid a Radio Shack digital SPL meter and pink noise we set the volume of each of the speakers to the same relative volume at approximately one meter.
The Contenders...

Starting from the left we had on hand:

  • RCF ART-322A
  • KV2 Audio EX10
  • Yorkville NX55P
  • FBT Maxx4A
  • Yorkville U15P
  • Yorkville EF500PB
Subwoofers on hand for the initial round:
  • FBT Maxx10SA
  • Yorkville LS800PB
  • RCF ART-705AS (2-stacked vertically)
  • Yorkville LS700PB
  • KV2 Audio EX2.2
The listening sessions...
We started out listening to each of the tops full-range at a moderate volume. The ART-322A provided a nice round sound and a clear high end. The KV2 EX10 produced a surprisingly big sound for it's size and had a nice airy high end. The NX55P featured pleasing low end with detailed mids with a pleasing but not overly hyped high-end. The Maxx4A didn't jump out among the rest of the pack but I felt that it featured a very natural sound with a fairly tight low-end. The U15P's jumped out above the others from the start, it had a very tight and deep low-frequency response with the most detailed mids and highs of the group. The EF500PB did not sound as high-fi as the other speakers in the lineup straight out of the box, it had a slight boxiness and honkiness in comparison to the other cabinets without any EQ.
Our next scenario was to keep the same configuration but to increase the volume to typical wedding party levels (approximately 85-87 dB slow A-weighted at our listening position). Most of the cabinets sounded very similar to the first round but louder at this point.
Next we decided to run the speakers up until their sound quality started to decrease or we started to flicker limit/clip lights. The RCF seemed to hold it's own right up until it's clip lights were flashing. The KV2's were surprising but there is only so much that can be expected from a 10" driver (being compared to 12 and 15 inch drivers). The EX10's obviously ran out of gas first (and don't have clip/limit LEDs). The Yorkville NX55P's sounded fairly good up until the limit lights were flashing (there was a bass roll off as the volume was increased). The Maxx4A cabinets seemed slightly underpowered compared to some of the other cabinets and seemed to show their stress the earliest. The Yorkville U15P sounded great into limiting and only really sounded stressed in the low-frequency section. The EF500PB's easily appeared the loudest but this was due to their harsher out of the box tonality. At this point I applied some quick and dirty EQ to the EF500PB's to really show what they are capable of. A 4 dB 1/3 octave dip at 300 Hz and a 4 dB shelving high-frequency boost at 4 kHz really livened them up. With some more EQ tweaks we have had very good experiences with EF500PB's.
Where's the bass???
Next we decided to add in the subwoofers. We did our best to configure the systems as would probably be recommended by the speaker manufacturers (i.e. all gains at 0dB if marked, crossovers/filters engaged, correct DSP setting-on the U15P, etc).
Adding the 705-AS to the 322A seemed to make the bass of the system louder but didn't really enhance the sound quality of it too much. The EX10's with the EX2.2 made the KV2 system sound much larger than it is (I do have to state that one channel of the KV2 system was inadvertently high-passed during this test). The NX55P's were paired with the LS700PB subwoofer and made a good sounding and proven combination. The Maxx4A was coupled to the Maxx10SA, the Maxx10SA really helped to provide a bigger and tighter low-end to the Maxx4A. After a slight high-frequency roll-off and sub/top level adjustment, the FBT system sounded pretty good to my ears. The U15P cabinets paired with a single LS800PB subwoofer had almost everyone smiling. The LS800P added even more punchy round low-end to an already good package with the U15P. The EF500PB's were run with a subwoofer.
Turning up the volume...
The RCF system was would get fairly loud before running out of gas. The 705-AS would move a decent amount of air but it didn't seem quite as deep or as tight as I would prefer.
The KV2's again really impressed for thier size. The EX2.2 was causing dust to shake free from the ceiling tiles with ease while still staying fairly tight.
The NX55P's with the LS700PB surprised me. I didn't think the LS700PB was going to sound as good as the ART-705 but was pleased with it's performance.
The Maxx4A seemed to run out of gas just before the other cabinets in the group but makes a nice combination with the Maxx10SA. The Maxx10SA produced a very healthy tight low-end until it started to run out of power. In the 15" and under class I preferred it's sound quality over the 705-AS and LS700PB.
The U15P and LS800PB combination easily out ran the other systems in the room up until this point. The LS800PB's produce LOTS of bass for their size. With a small 3-4 dB 1/3 octave cut at 75 Hz they had a tight punchy full sound down to the 45-50 Hz region.
The bass and nothing but the bass...
Next up we tried out each subwoofer without tops and then with the U15P tops. Comparing the RCF ART-705 to the Maxx10SA I thought it was no contest - Maxx10sA all the way. The Maxx10SA sounded tighter and seemed to reach deeper. The downside is that the FBT is slightly larger and more expensive than the RCF. The LS700PB again sounded good and in my opinion probably fits in well in between the FBT and RCF in terms of sound quality. After catching my routing mistake in the DSP, the KV2 EX2.2 came alive--it produced a very good amount of low-end for it's size but didn't go quite as deep and not near as loud as the LS800PB subs.
Do you have anything bigger???

Pictured here from the left:
  • Yorkville U15P cabinets on top of
  • Danley Soundlabs TH-115 subwoofers
  • Yorkville LS800PB subs
  • Yorkville UCS1B subs
We made use of the U15P's built-in hig-pass filter for their processing. One of the Sabine Navigator DSPs was used to provide the 90 Hz 24 dB/oct LR low-pass output for each pair of subwoofers. The Danley cabinets were run without any EQ processing. I believe we had the same 3-4 dB cut at 75 Hz as before on the LS800PB subs and we made use of the Yorkville recommended settings for the UCS1's (I believe it was a +5 dB boost at 38 Hz with a BW of 0.6). Bridged PLX3602 amplifiers were used to power each pair of passive subs.
Starting with the LS800PB subs, they provided large amounts of punchy pleasing bass. It was all but snowing (shaking dust out of the suspended ceiling tiles) in the room during playback tests of all three subwoofers. Next up the UCS1s sounded even tighter and probably a little more clinical than the LS800PB subs. The stars of the show however were the TH-115 subs, they just simply out ran and out pounded the other two subs without breaking a sweat. It will be very interesting to hear how the TH-115 subs compare to the other big dogs at the upcoming subwoofer shootout in NYC. Most of the attendees were simply floored by the quantity and QUALITY of the bass produced by the Danleys.
With only a little more time left in the room, we paired the Danley SH-50's with the Danley TH-115 subs with the same processing as before. The SH-50's were run off of a PLX3602 in stereo with a 100 Hz 24 dB/oct LR high-pass filter and no EQ. The SH-50 speakers were very transparent and neutral sounding. Playing back a good quality recording, you simply couldn't stop listening to them. Increasing the volume simply made the sound louder, the overall tonality didn't seem to change and the mid/high amp was running out of gas before the SH-50's even hinted that they were reaching their limits.
My conclusions...
I personally didn't think there was a bad sounding system present. For the ultimate in portability while still maintaining excellent sound quality the KV2 system is a good choice. For louder and slightly less refined situations the RCF system would most likely do the trick. Slightly lower SPLs but a natural sound quality and tight low-end describe the FBT system. I thought the Yorkville NX55P/LS700PB system fit somewhere in between the FBT and RCF systems. The U15P or EF500PB cabients with the LS800PB will easily fill larger venues with great sound. After hearing the UCS1B's I can't wait to hear the UCS1P (When is it going to ship Yorkville??). The Danley SH-50 and TH-115 were totally in another league. They should work incredibly well in larger venues or wherever the utmost in sound quality is desired.
Pricing Information...
Manufacturer and ModelList PriceMAP
FBT Maxx4A$1049.95$899.00
FBT Maxx10SA$1729.95$1469.00
Danley Sound Labs SH-50$3925.00
Danley Sound Labs TH-115$2255.00
KV2 Audio EX10
KV2 Audio EX2.2
RCF ART-322-A$1149.00$976.65
RCF ART-705-AS$1199.00$1019.15
Yorkville EF500P$1599.00
Yorkville NX55P$999.00
Yorkville LS700P$1099.00
Yorkville LS800P$1599.00
Yorkville U15P$1899.00
Yorkville UCS1$849.00